As we know for over the last 20 years, china has put it's foot down on the global market, contributing heavly to the global economical market, with it manufacturing goods, and buying most of the worlds steel, it is being able to manufacture and almost grow it's self, faster into the 21st century than most economically develped countrys around the globe. With the near compleation if not completes grand opera house. PLUS with the worlds largest popluation, it appears to be the coming super power for this century.... americas had it's golden age!

Hi Jamie,
Yup you're right about China becoming the next economic super power: however, once the global community gets its' act together & stops poor quality, 'knock-off'imports from China, then things may change quite dramatically.
I deal in classic furniture made in the USA & exported globally, and we import to South Africa. The goods are made to very strict guide lines by the company concerned. What bothers me is the amount of cheap copies that arrive in SA, that carry no warrenty, are of a quality that leaves a lot to be desired, and are prices at about 10% of the 'proper' goods.
As a global community, we are becoming more & more aware of our rights as consumers, and we shouldn't have to put up with cheap cr_p that breaks as soon as the box is opened!!
Antway, just me having a rant.
What do others think of my opinions??
Regards,
David Moore.

Hi David!
Yes, your right, it is about the global, economical market, and the selling of cheap goods! I seriously understand about cheap nock offs, of products such as furniture, and other products, since im studying quality engineering in school at the moment!
The cr_p ive came across, was a high volosity pelet BB gun, i bought for £15, it lasted 20 shots then broke! Just a load of cheap cr_ppy engineering, like most imports from china! lol!

Anyway what counts is that i agree with you, SO WHO ELSE IS WITH US!!?

Jamie

Hey jamie,
Here in America we have a real problem with out sorcing jobs (wich means we aren't producing as much in the U.S., becuase were sending our jobs to other countries where labor is cheaper), all we're doing is consuming and we're not making anything. Now the reason I say this is because we have been stabbing ourselves slowly for years, we will be our own downfall. One major thing I see in Chinese eyes is they're love for they're nation. We don't have that kind of zeal here. With China becoming more of a free market economy over the years they are going to blow up into a power that we have yet to see. My hopes are that they are able to do so without outraging the other major nations... the last thing we need is a war over power.
Thanx. James.

I have to ask Scandinavian what does The temp in Stockholm have to do with China emerging as a Major Super Power? Or post War Japan? You are referring to World War II right? Perhaps you are confused. After 20 years of Industrialization two thirds of the worlds most polluted cities are in China. Carbon Dioxide released by the huge amounts of Fossil-fuel is contributing to global warming which causes habitat degradation and volatile weather. I believe that this topic starter is addressing the methods by which China is building toward becoming a Super Power. I would suggest that you start a Topic that would address the Effects of the methods used by China to become a super power, on the global enviroment. The tempature change in your country and many others has been and will continue to be effected. I apologize to the others on this thread, it's just that this is a really interesting topic, and I would hate to see it drift off into something that is non-related to the topic.

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In what way is this nasty? I simply suggested that you start a new topic that would corralate with your post. This is coming from someone who has continually Invaded the forum, and refused to appear on the topic that he established to debate what he wanted to talk about. Instead staying,where it was not appropriate to do so. The Steve Irwin forum is for posting Tributes, not discussing his death, that is clearly posted at the top of the forum title. You are the troll and spammer. The post I left, was clearly about China and nothing else. Anyone wishing to confirm statements in re-of the Tribute Forum, need only look at the post that a member has left.
I would appreciate it, if you would stop slandering me!!!!

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Originally posted by svg:
In what way is this nasty? I simply suggested that you start a new topic that would corralate with your post. This is coming from someone who has continually Invaded the forum, and refused to appear on the topic that he established to debate what he wanted to talk about. Instead staying,where it was not appropriate to do so. The Steve Irwin forum is for posting Tributes, not discussing his death, that is clearly posted at the top of the forum title. You are the troll and spammer. The post I left, was clearly about China and nothing else. Anyone wishing to confirm statements in re-of the Tribute Forum, need only look at the post that a member has left.
I would appreciate it, if you would stop slandering me!!!!

You are busted.

SVG I fail to see how your post could or would be considered Spam. You made some very specific and well thought out points. After reading the post by Scandinavian it appeared to me that the content was in line with Global pollution and effects on weather,rather then Economic growth and it's effect on other countries, which is what I felt the topic was. I see that he brought in the forum issue. That wasn't in your post, he brought that in.

Are you making threats, because I don't agree with you?

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Originally posted by svg:
I have to ask Scandinavian what does The temp in Stockholm have to do with China emerging as a Major Super Power? Or post War Japan? You are referring to World War II right? Perhaps you are confused. After 20 years of Industrialization two thirds of the worlds most polluted cities are in China. Carbon Dioxide released by the huge amounts of Fossil-fuel is contributing to global warming which causes habitat degradation and volatile weather. I believe that this topic starter is addressing the methods by which China is building toward becoming a Super Power. I would suggest that you start a Topic that would address the Effects of the methods used by China to become a super power, on the global enviroment. The tempature change in your country and many others has been and will continue to be effected. I apologize to the others on this thread, it's just that this is a really interesting topic, and I would hate to see it drift off into something that is non-related to the topic.

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There is an ongoing campaign leaking out from the Steve Irwin forum against members that were concerned over the risky life he lived, and this activity has already runned out of sense.

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Originally posted by Jamie Ireland:
Americas had it's golden age!

Hey, blame it on King George III, it could have been an English golden age as well, but that’s neither here nor there. However let’s give the transatlantic inferiority complex a rest shall we. (two culture separated by a common language comes to mind)

China will become a Superpower, however, they have only recently begun to move away from communism and autocratic control of the population, but it’s mechanism and authority are still largely intact. Their military build up/expenditure should concern many in Pacific region.

There are also huge structural/societal problems that exist in China that the documentary did not cover in any detail that will not be easily overcome quickly.

Briefly they include:

1. The Chinese banking system is in a mess.
2. The pegging of the yuan for foreign currency.
3. Environmental issues from such things as basic sanitation to global mercury pollution.
4. Rural population illiteracy, lack of education, lack of arable land and rural uprising. (Go into the country in certain parts of China and you’ll think you’re back in the stone age)
5. Health concerns such as exploding AIDS population. (Blood trading) Basic over population.
6. Less of a value put on women. (there’s going to be a ton of bachelors out there)
7. Unsettle boarder disputes. (Taiwan, Tibet, etc)
8. Language that is no homogenous nor easily communicated as a Romanized language.

Sooo, ‘Where'd you get the coconuts?’

Edit: After reading the other threads I think school must be out for the fall.

Lol! i agree, britains lost its touch as well! i guess its china's turn now! And the problems you have put forward about china, i agree fully aswell there true fact, but that is what you would expect with a large population! the thing that im worried about, looking back in chinas history, is its human rights record. if China are to be the worlds next super power, well i just hope they treat everybody correctly, not with the lack of sensor ship for life, as recorded in there history!
to be honest, im a bit worried about the to come scale of chinas power, i hope america pulls through to be the dominant super power of the 21st century instead!

Sorry if I seem a bit late with this discussion but I think you all make some good points.

Yes, it’s a bit scary watching China pump out all that pollution on the news. The difficulty for China, I would think, is that it’s changing from an agricultural society to an urban, industrial one.

Its difficult telling people who live in grinding poverty - and look at the western world with envy – that getting rich is not a good thing, that it brings with it pollution . A case of don’t do as we do, do as we say.

I suppose it’s a bit like this country about the time of the industrial revolution, folks flocked to the cities for work in the factories, cos it was better than starving in the countryside and sharing your room with the cows and pigs. We forget very quickly what it was like being a poor nation. Not that China is that poor, but, hopefully you get mi drift.

Don’t get me wrong, China should be helped come to terms with its future, let’s hope they just listen.

Wow i havnt logged on in ages, well back to China! Youve made some good points Chav, but China is an eastern nation, and not only that they are also communist which of course everyone knows (sorry for stating the obvious ) but im sorry to stero type, but the majority of eastern nations will rarley listen to western powers such as IRAN at the moment with there nuclear programme, China wishes to become fully independant, and the way they like to do this is by putting there hands over their ears and shouting and so blocking out everything anybody else says, about pollution, over population etc... Also with them being communist they have a forever growing military arsonal, with Weapons of mass destruction coming out everywhere which makes people want to be quiet and to not stir up any potentially hazardous political problems, also with China having forever incrasing power over the global market there on their way to becoming the worlds dominant power!!

bloody hell not much about chinese then

YAY more about our undemocratic freinds the chinese, anybody been watchin the news, same as usual ey, china stopping the tibetans from protesting again aint nothin new there!