Sea Shepherd, based in US, often claims to be a law enforcement society, but ironically, the country's own law enforcement, Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), cites Sea Shepherd, not as an innocent helper, but as a eco terrorist.

COngressional Tesimony

I don't understand why Uncle Sam still let them have a tax-exempt status it currently enjoys. I also do not understand why AP portrays their terrorist actions as heroic.

I'm disapointed in you Antiantiwhaler, your normally so good at stating your case, but instead you bring information 7 years old as evidence. This article does mention Sea Shepherd but almost as a side note. A simple search did not yield any additional commentary on the Sea Shepherds or their actions.

so, in your opinion, these past seven years has changed SSCS? Incidentally, I do not write here to impress you or anything, so your being disappointed has no effects on me.

Your obviously trying to impress someone, you have been arguing the whalers case from quite some time. It is the mindset that you display that has caused the escalation in tatics by groups like Sea Shepherd. I am not in favor of ship collisions at sea, but I am concerned that the unrelenting attitude being displayed on this forum is the one that generates true "eco terrorism" and not the simple aggravation that the Sea Shepherds have employed.
This forum has an overwhelming number of posts in favor of whaling and they are posted by three individuals Antiantiwhaler, Ophidian, and Agni99. All other opinions and posters are dismissed, harrassed and shown contempt, even those that may have been inclined to listen to your argument.
If this unrelenting attitude is displayed here, then we can expect the same mindset to be applied to whaling. The whalers will not stop until they have killed everything. They have no intention of creating a sustainable anything.

It is human nature to destroy everything beutiful and defensless, Dont the FBI have something else better to do?
I personally believe the Sea Shepherd and her crew arn't using enough force to get the point accross.

Why do I want to impress someone? If you read my account name, it reads "antiantiwhaler" I am not what you call 'pro-whaling.' All I am saying is that the anti-whaling movement, from which SSCS makes a lot of money, is nothing but scum.

Every single country in the world kill so many animals for food.

When Japan kills whales, they ram, throw acid, illegally board etc. That is piracy. When Norway and Iceland do the same, what do SSCS do? They put the info on their web page, and do not bother going there.

When Australia kill endangered dugong, what do they do? They remain silent.

Tuna finishing kills dolphins all over the world, and what do SS do? They send overpaid teenagers to Japan and make a movie out of it.

I am only against this biased view of the world.

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They have no intention of creating a sustainable anything.

FYI, the objective of JARPA is to establish a scientific basis for sustainable whaling.

I am fully aware of JARPA's stated objective. I believe the data from this project can not be reliably used. The people collecting the data have an ulterior purpose.

Pro-whaling is anyone who favors or defends whaling as acceptable practice. You definately qualify.

Every single country in the world does kill many animals for food. Not all of them are right as you correctly pointed out.

The biggest issue I have with all of this is that whalers are killing Endangered whales. Specifically the Fin whale although other whale species have been targeted. Then they are offended when someone uses every means possible to put a stop to it. I would like to see more political means used, but I do not want to explain to my grandchildren why there are no more of a certain species of whale, and why I could do nothing about it.

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I believe the data from this project can not be reliably used.

The IWC does not agree with you.

http://www.iwcoffice.org/conse...on/jarpa.htm#extract

Also, based on the data collected by JARPA, it turned out that the Southern minkes are different species from the Northern minkes. Evidently, there is no way to warp DNA data, and your statement is a false accusation.

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I do not want to explain to my grandchildren

Iceland hunts fin whales, still, SSCS don't even lift a finger. Minke whales have never been threatened, but SSCS seem to have a big problem with Japanese hunting. Incidentally, you have a lot of explanation to do to your grandchild.
Wiki has a list of extinct animals, I hope this will help:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_extinct_animals

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Also, based on the data collected by JARPA, it turned out that the Southern minkes are different species from the Northern minkes. Evidently, there is no way to warp DNA data, and your statement is a false accusation.

First off, I did not mention Minkes in any way. I specifically pointed to fin whales. Yes, Iceland has killed fin whales, but so has Japan.

Second since JARPA has decided that there are two seperate species then the population numbers should be reconsidered. It would show the southern Minkes to have fewer numbers than the total that is most commonly seen.

Thank you antiantiwhaler for pointing out that Sea Shepherd does not have enough finacial support to wage two campaigns simutanously. I guess that means more people should donate to the cause.

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Incidentally, you have a lot of explanation to do to your grandchild.
Wiki has a list of extinct animals, I hope this will help:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_extinct_animals

I am very glad you pointed this out. It definately makes a good argument why man should not be allowed to hunt endangered animals.

quote: Mindseye
I'm disapointed in you Antiantiwhaler, your normally so good at stating your case, but instead you bring information 7 years old as evidence
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So just because it's 7 years old it doesn't matter? Every morning you wake up the world is brand new, the reset button is pushed?

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quote: Minseye
This forum has an overwhelming number of posts in favor of whaling and they are posted by three individuals Antiantiwhaler, Ophidian, and Agni99. All other opinions and posters are dismissed, harrassed and shown contempt, even those that may have been inclined to listen to your argument.
If this unrelenting attitude is displayed here, then we can expect the same mindset to be applied to whaling. The whalers will not stop until they have killed everything. They have no intention of creating a sustainable anything.
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You obviously haven't read a thing I've written
I like whales, I don't care for whaling. But I do tell the truth. It is legal, weather it's right or wrong. If you want to ban whaling do it, but do it legally. These scumbags (SS) on the other hand I have NO resoect for. They are criminals and need to be in prison. Violence IS WRONG and ILLEGAL. That is what I rail on.
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quote: Fusion North
It is human nature to destroy everything beutiful and defensless, Dont the FBI have something else better to do?
I personally believe the Sea Shepherd and her crew arn't using enough force to get the point accross
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This is what I'm talking about. "Not enough force being used" . This is what the Sea Monkeys promote. VIOLENCE. You people are no better than the whalers. You have no credibility, no facts, just feelings. Feelings aren't always bad but use your head. Think!
You'll say but I am thinking. No your not, think harder, more objective. Not knee jerk.

And NOTE:
I'm not ripping his or yours or anyones opinion about not hunting whales. I am ripping the "more force" part.
You can have your opinion. But don't try and incite illegal behavior, then you are on the same level as those moron sea monkeys.

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Thank you antiantiwhaler for pointing out that Sea Shepherd does not have enough finacial support to wage two campaigns simutanously. I guess that means more people should donate to the cause.

You are welcome. May I also suggest that you should target a country, like Iceland, that hunts more fin whales than Japan?

Dugongs are also endangered, but hunting dugong is allowed in Australia. If Iceland is too far, I can also suggest that you prioritize native Australian dugongs? Many thanks for letting Japanese people alone when they hunt minkes. I trust that what happened this season to Japanese workers in Southern pacific will not happen next season.

Oh, I almost forgot. Watson receives $90k+benefits from SSCS. If you cut off his salary, which sometimes he says doesn't receive, there you go, you can afford a campaign against American dolphin killing.

While the Sea Monkeys are gallavanting around the ocean on your dime. Why are they not lobbying the powers that be? They aren't, they tell you to write letters, while they "play".
Letter writing campains don't work, lobbying does. Yet, where are they? They are out committing crimes while the "blind" pick up the tab.

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Originally posted by Mindseye:
This forum has an overwhelming number of posts in favor of whaling and they are posted by three individuals Antiantiwhaler, Ophidian, and Agni99. All other opinions and posters are dismissed, harrassed and shown contempt, even those that may have been inclined to listen to your argument.

There has been harassment? When?

Antiantiwhaler, Ophidian, and myself have been open to debate. That the other side is lacking in knowledge and understanding of simple, basic facts is not our fault.

There seems to be a lot of angst from SSCS supporters that there are fans of the show who disagree with the activities of the Sea Monkeys and that some of these fans post here. What exactly is the problem? Both sides are free to post here.

I think the problem is that SSCS supporters believe themselves to be "pure" and "genuine" and therefore, everyone else is biased.

There are forums specifically designed for the "genuine" people, who talk about "the Japanese." There, SSCS supporters can find their "genuine" pals, and they can scratch each other's backs.

I have had a look at the forum to have a good laugh, but I have no interest in hearing about how butyric acid keeps the Japanese healthy, so I don't "harass" anybody there.

Apperantly harassment is when someone has a different than they do. And when they can't debate or discuss it they pout and call names and run away. That is sad.
They can't handle intellegent coversations I guess.....

Good news for Mindseye. I found the URL for the website designed by/for "genuine" people like you.

http://www.seashepherd.com.au/...howthread.php?t=4574

That is too funny! Why do they whine sooo much when they get an opposing view point. If they really beleived that crap they spew, they could easily defend it.
I love the one where Frenchie says "he isn't armed well enough" LOL
Well it just goes to show you can't argue with the truth! The lies they beleive...wow...

Only too bad I'm not mentioned. I must not be as bad as you guys....LOL

Hilarious!

Ok guys this is where I am

http://www.facebook.com/pages/...0000217930145&ref=ts

This site like directly to here. Which is where some uninformed people come from.
Then go to the discussions here's the thread:

Is paul Watson an immoral terrorist?

I like this one...Paul comes here from time to time.
Bill Bennett is there if you remember him
Plus everyone from the SS forum board.

If they can have forum bombing campain, then so can we!!!! Let bring the facts!