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Note the research that Paul Watson claims the Japanese aren't doing

http://www.icrwhale.org/DocumentList.htm

2007
•Konishi, K. and Tamura, T. 2007. Occurrence of the minimal armhook squids Berryteuthis anonychus (Cephalopoda: Gonatidae) in the stomachs of common minke whales Balaenoptera acutorostrata in the western North Pacific. Fisheries Science 73: 1208-1210.

•Murase, H., Tamura, T., Kiwada, H., Fujise, Y., Watanabe, H., Ohizumi, H., Yonezaki, S., Okamura, H. and Kawahara, S. 2007. Prey selection of common minke (Balaenoptera acutorostrata) and Bryde's (Balaenoptera edeni) whales in the western North Pacific in 2000 and 2001. Fish. Oceanogr. 16(2): 186-201.

•Kanda, N., Goto, M., Kato, H., McPhee, M.V. and Pastene, L.A. 2007. Population genetic structure of Bryde's whales (Balaenoptera brydei) at the inter-oceanic and trans-equatorial levels. Conservation Genetics 8(4): 853-864.

•***ui, Y., Iwayama, H., Matsuoka, T., Nagai, H., Koma, N., Mogoe, T., Ishikawa, H., Fujise, Y., Hirabayashi, M., Hochi, S., Kato, H. and Ohsumi, S. 2007. Attempt at Intracytoplasmic sperm injection of in vitro matured oocytes in common minke whales (Balaenoptera acutorostrata) captured during the Kushiro coast survey. Journal of Reproduction and Development. 53(4): 945-952. Abstract and PDF, J-STAGE Link

•Niimi, S., Kim, E.Y., Iwata, H., Watanabe, M.X., Yasunaga, G., Fujise, Y. and Tanabe, S. 2007. Identification and hepatic expression profiles of cytochrome P450 1-4 isozymes in common minke whales (Balaenoptera acutorostrata). Comparative Biochemistry and Physiology, Part B 147 (2007): 667-681.

•Nishida, S., Goto, M., Pastene, L.A., Kanda, N. and Koike, H. 2007. Phylogenetic relationships among cetaceans revealed by Y-chromosome sequences・・I>Zoological Science 24(7): 723-732.

•Onbe, K. Nishida, S., Sone, E., Kanda, N., Goto, M., Pastene, L.A., Tanabe, S. and Koike, H. 2007. Sequence Variation in the Tbx4 Gene in Marine Mammals・・I>Zoological Science 24(5): 449-464.

•Pastene, L.A., Goto, M., Kanda, N., Zerbini, A.N., Kerem, D., Watanabe, K., Bessho, Y., Hasegawa, M., Nielsen, R., Larsen, F. and Palsbテクll, P.J. 2007. Radiation and speciation of pelagic organisms during periods of global warming: the case of the common minke whale, Balaenoptera acutorostrata. Molecular Ecology 16: 1481–1495.

•Urashima, T., Kobayashi, M., Asakuma, S., Uemura, Y., Arai, I., ***uda, K., Saito, T., Mogoe, T., Ishikawa, H., ***ui, Y. 2007. Chemical characterization of the oligosaccharides in Bryde's whale (Balaenoptera edeni) and Sei whale (Balaenoptera borealis) milk. Comparative Biochemistry and Physiology, Part B 146: 153–159.

•Watanabe, H., Tateno, H., Kusakabe, H., Kamiguchi, Y., Fujise, Y., Ishikawa, H., Ohsumi, S. and ***ui, Y. 2007. Fertilizability and Chromosomal Integrity of Frozen-thawed Bryde's Whale (Balaenoptera edeni) Spermatozoa Intracytoplasmically Injected into Mouse Oocytes. Reproduction, Fertility and Development 19 (1): 306. (Proceedings of the Annual Conference of the International Embryo Transfer Society).

•Watanabe, H., Tateno, H., Kusakabe, H., Matsuoka, T., Kamiguchi, Y., Fujise, Y., Ishikawa, H., Ohsumi, S. and ***ui, Y. 2007. Fertilizability and chromosomal integrity of frozen-thawed Bryde's whale (Balaenoptera edeni) spermatozoa intracytoplasmically injected into mouse oocytes. Zygote 15: 9-14.

2008年
•Bhuiyan, M.M.U., Suzuki, Y., Watanabe, H., Hirayama, H., Matsuoka, K., Fujise, Y., Ishikawa, H., Ohsumi, S. and ***ui, Y. 2008. Attempts at in vitro fertilization and culture of in vitro matured oocytes in sei (Balaenoptera borealis) and Bryde's (B. edeni) whales. Zygote17: 19-28.

•Birukawa, N., Ando, H., Goto, M., Kanda, N., Pastene, L.A. and Urano, A. 2008. Molecular cloning of urea transporters from the kidneys of baleen and toothed whales. Comparative Biochemistry and Physiology, Part B 149 (2008): 227-235.

•Ishikawa, H. and Shigemune, H. 2008. Comparative Experiment of Whaling Grenades in the Japanese Whale Research Program under Special Permit (JARPA and JARPN). Jpn. J. Zoo Wildl. Med. 13(1): 21-28.
 
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"The Japanese" are not (supposed to be) doing any research, nor have they published any peer-reviewed papers. On top of that, they do not make research data publicly available, right?

I wonder how SSCS supporters manage to believe in total lies like that.
 
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"The Japanese" are not (supposed to be) doing any research, nor have they published any peer-reviewed papers. On top of that, they do not make research data publicly available, right?


Part right. Some papers are only transmitted to the IWC. From the ICR website:

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JARPA/JARPAII
Scientific documents to the International Whaling Commission (IWC) Scientific Committee


2008
Ishikawa, H., Goto, M., Ogawa, T., Bando, T., Kiwada, H., Isoda, T., Kumagai, S., Mori, M., Tsunekawa, M., Ohsawa, T., ***utome, K., Koyanagi, T., Kandabashi, S., Kawabe, S., Sotomura, N., Matsukura, R., Kato, K., Matsumoto, A., Nakai, K., Hasegawa, M., Mori, T., Yoshioka, S. and Yoshida, T. 2008. Cruise report of the Second Phase of the Japanese Whale Research Program under Special Permit in the Antarctic (JARPA II) in 2007/2008. Paper SC/60/O4 presented to the IWC Scientific Committee, June 2008 (unpublished). 19pp.

Kitakado, T. 2008 Evaluation of Statistical Power of a Test for Examining Bias in Age-reading Experiment for Antarctic Minke whales. Paper SC/60/IA16 presented to the IWC Scientific Committee, June 2008 (unpublished). 11pp.

Mori, M. and Butterworth, D.S. 2008. Some modifications to the current ADAPT-VPA model for Antarctic minke whales. Paper SC/60/IA13 presented to the IWC Scientific Committee, June 2008 (unpublished). 5pp.



JARPN/JARPNII
Scientific documents to the International Whaling Commission (IWC) Scientific Committee


2008
•Bando, T., Kato, H., Kishiro, T., Goto, M., Yasunaga, G., Saito, T., Tabata, S., Morita, Y., Okamoto, R., Maeda, H., Inagaki, M., Nagatsuka, S., Ebisui, T., Nakai, K., Matsumoto, A., Gokita, A. and Kawahara, S. 2008. Cruise report of the Second Phase of the Japanese Whale Research Program under Special Permit in the Western North Pacific (JARPN II) in 2007 - coastal component off Sanriku. Paper SC/60/O6 presented to the IWC Scientific Committee, June 2008 (unpublished). 27pp.

•Kishiro, T., Kato, H., Yoshida, H., Miya****a, T., Iwasaki, T., Kanaji, Y., Ryono, T., Tabata, S., Morita, Y., Okamoto, R., Maeda, H., Nagatsuka, S., Ogawa, N., Nakai, K., Ebisui, T., Matsumoto, A., Gokita, A., Kiwada, H. and Kawahara, S. 2008. Cruise report of the second phase of the Japanese Whale Research Program under Special Permit in the Western North Pacific (JARPN II) in 2007 - coastal component off Kushiro. Paper SC/60/O7 presented to the IWC Scientific Committee, June 2008 (unpublished). 33pp.

•Matsuoka, K., Otani, H., Isoda, T., Wada, A., Kumagai, S., Ohshima, T., Yoshimura, I., Sugiyama, K., Aki, M., Kato, K., Bhuiyan, M.M.U., Funasaka, N., Suzuki, Y., Sudo, R., Motohashi, Y., Mori, M., Tsunekawa, M., Inagake, D., Murase, H. and Ogawa, T. 2008. Cruise report of the Second Phase of the Japanese Whale Research Program under Special Permit in the Western North Pacific (JARPN II) in 2007 (Part I) - offshore component. Paper SC/60/O5 presented to the IWC Scientific Committee, June 2008 (unpublished). 40pp.


Those were the unpublished reports. I wonder what they are hiding?

As to peer-reviewed papers:

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JARPA/JARPAII
papers published in peer-reviewed journals


2008
Ishikawa, H. and Shigemune, H. 2008. Comparative Experiment of Whaling Grenades in the Japanese Whale Research Program under Special Permit (JARPA and JARPN). Jpn. J. Zoo Wildl. Med. 13(1): 21-28. (Eight pages)

Konishi, K., Tamura, T., Zenitani, R., Bando, T., Kato, H. and Wallテクe, L. 2008. Decline in energy storage in the Antarctic minke whale (Balaenoptera bonaerensis) in the Southern Ocean. Polar Biol: 31: 1509-1520. (Twelve pages)

Yunoki, K., Ishikawa, H., ***ui, Y. and Ohnishi, M. 2008. Chemical Properties of Epidermal Lipids, Especially Sphingolipids, of the Antarctic Minke Whale. Lipids (2008) 43: 151-159. (Nine pages)



JARPN/JARPNII
papers published in peer-reviewed journals


2008
•Bhuiyan, M.M.U., Suzuki, Y., Watanabe, H., Hirayama, H., Matsuoka, K., Fujise, Y., Ishikawa, H., Ohsumi, S. and ***ui, Y. 2008. Attempts at in vitro fertilization and culture of in vitro matured oocytes in sei (Balaenoptera borealis) and Bryde's (B. edeni) whales. Zygote17: 19-28. (Ten pages)

•Birukawa, N., Ando, H., Goto, M., Kanda, N., Pastene, L.A. and Urano, A. 2008. Molecular cloning of urea transporters from the kidneys of baleen and toothed whales. Comparative Biochemistry and Physiology, Part B 149 (2008): 227-235. (Nine pages)

Ishikawa, H. and Shigemune, H. 2008. Comparative Experiment of Whaling Grenades in the Japanese Whale Research Program under Special Permit (JARPA and JARPN). Jpn. J. Zoo Wildl. Med. 13(1): 21-28. (Duplicate report from JARPA/JARPAII)


If you do the math, you will see there are only 48 pages for the 2007/2008 season which is the most recent "research" they posted. They killed 500 whales. Over ten whales per page of "research" and not all of it was direct research on whales.

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I wonder how SSCS supporters manage to believe in total lies like that.


Maybe it's not total lies after all...


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Those were the unpublished reports. I wonder what they are hiding?


JARPA's primary aim is to restart commercial whaling. They do report to the IWC scientific committee, and what is wrong with that? I am also a scientist, but I do not report all my findings until I come up with a good theoretical explanations that go with my data. Am I hiding something? In a way, yes, but why do we have to share everything with everyone? Nobody does it.


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there are only 48 pages for the 2007/2008 season which is the most recent "research" they posted.


I am afraid that you do not understand academic publications. It is not the length, but content, that determines the quality and contribution.

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Maybe it's not total lies after all...


Watson repeatedly said that Japan is not producing ANY peer-reviewed papers, which is a total lie.
 
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Those were the unpublished reports. I wonder what they are hiding?


JARPA's primary aim is to restart commercial whaling. They do report to the IWC scientific committee, and what is wrong with that? I am also a scientist, but I do not report all my findings until I come up with a good theoretical explanations that go with my data.


The Japanese have yet to "come up with a good theoretical" explanation of their blatant commercial whaling in violation of the IWC.

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Am I hiding something? In a way, yes, but why do we have to share everything with everyone? Nobody does it.


Especially the Japanese. Only they have failed to hide their commercial whaling.

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there are only 48 pages for the 2007/2008 season which is the most recent "research" they posted.


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I am afraid that you do not understand academic publications. It is not the length, but content, that determines the quality and contribution.


Yeah, that's what you hope she will say... The sample size to produce this "research" was a flagrant obscenity. The skin oils (epidermal lipids) could have been gathered with a swab which is a lot less painful and deadly than a harpoon.

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Maybe it's not total lies after all...


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Watson repeatedly said that Japan is not producing ANY peer-reviewed papers, which is a total lie.


And I said that is partly right because they ARE producing unpublished papers.


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The Japanese have yet to "come up with a good theoretical" explanation of their blatant commercial whaling in violation of the IWC.


They do have a good theoretical account of sustainable whaling.

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Especially the Japanese. Only they have failed to hide their commercial whaling.


Scientists are under no obligation to share every single findings, and I actually find your statement discriminatory and racist. I happen to be one of the people who you refer to as "the Japanese."

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Yeah, that's what you hope she will say...


Who is she? You are not making sense.

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And I said that is partly right because they ARE producing unpublished papers.


No, having unpublished papers has nothing to do with Watson's statement. The truth of his statement relies solely on whether JARPA has published a peer-reviewed paper or not. I have unpublished work, so do almost every academics that I know, but that does not mean that none of us has never published a single peer-reviewed paper.
 
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The Japanese have yet to "come up with a good theoretical" explanation of their blatant commercial whaling in violation of the IWC.


They do have a good theoretical account of sustainable whaling.


Where is it?

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Especially the Japanese. Only they have failed to hide their commercial whaling.


Scientists are under no obligation to share every single findings, and I actually find your statement discriminatory and racist. I happen to be one of the people who you refer to as "the Japanese."


Why are you playing the race card? Do you feel your arguments are losing their strength? I have been to Japan on more than one occasion. I love the Japanese. The nicest city I visited was Sasebo. The subject of this forum is whaling in the southern ocean by the Japanese. When I say "the Japanese", I refer to the whalers and the ICR, not the people of Japan. Please make a note of that for I am sure to use the term again.

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And I said that is partly right because they ARE producing unpublished papers.


...I have unpublished work, so do almost every academic that I know, but that does not mean that none of us has never published a single peer-reviewed paper.


I wasn't challenging that. We've already been through the 2008/2009 season and they just now published the results of the 2007/2008 season. I have commented on this in the past that no results have been published for two seasons and wondered why. I assumed they finally dropped the pretext of "research".


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Where is it?


IWC.

The current moratorium was set without advice from the IWC scientific committee anyway, and it was clear even in 1986 that banning the hunt for all whale species was not a proper way to go
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Why are you playing the race card? Do you feel your arguments are losing their strength?


No,you are playing the race card. Do you understand that scientists are not obliged to share data?

Incidentally, let's say that a professional baseball team, say Tokyo Giants, goes to US to play a baseball game, perhaps, against NY Yankees, and that the TV announcer consistently uses the word "the Japanese" to refer to Tokyo Giants, while NY Yankees are referred to as NY Yankees, instead of "the American." No doubt that there is racism involved there. Whale Wars does exactly that.

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We've already been through the 2008/2009 season and they just now published the results of the 2007/2008 season.


Do you know that peer-reviewing process takes a long time?
 
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Where is it?


IWC.

The current moratorium was set without advice from the IWC scientific committee anyway, and it was clear even in 1986 that banning the hunt for all whale species was not a proper way to go.


Said who?

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Why are you playing the race card? Do you feel your arguments are losing their strength?


No,you are playing the race card.


YOU accused me of being discriminatory and racist for using the phrase "the Japanese". If you don't like me using the term, go buy some Kleenex. This is a forum on the TV show "Whale Wars". There are two groups represented: the Sea Shepherd Conservation Society and the Japanese whaling fleet. Both have been shortened to "Sea Shepherds" and "the Japanese" by others as well as me only some of the others use terms like "Sea Monkeys" and "SS Tub-O-Lard" which I view as disrespect. I will continue to use "the Japanese" as shorthand for "the Japanese whaling fleet" and no disrespect is meant by it.

"Methinks thou doth protest too much" - Hamlet: Act 3, Scene 2, - William Shakespeare

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Do you understand that scientists are not obliged to share data?


Yes.

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Incidentally, let's say that a professional baseball team, say Tokyo Giants, goes to US to play a baseball game, perhaps, against NY Yankees, and that the TV announcer consistently uses the word "the Japanese" to refer to Tokyo Giants, while NY Yankees are referred to as NY Yankees, instead of "the American." No doubt that there is racism involved there. Whale Wars does exactly that.


No it doesn't. And your premise is flawed. In any international sporting event the host country refers to the guest team by their nationality more times than not. That is not racism. In many international sporting events I have heard the United States Team (usually called "Team USA") referred to as "the Americans" by US announcers. It's not racism. It's shorthand. Incidentally, the "Tokyo Giants" are actually the Yomiuri Giants.

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We've already been through the 2008/2009 season and they just now published the results of the 2007/2008 season.


Do you know that peer-reviewing process takes a long time?


Apparently so but why so many whales for so few results?


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No it doesn't. And your premise is flawed. In any international sporting event the host country refers to the guest team by their nationality more times than not. That is not racism. In many international sporting events I have heard the United States Team (usually called "Team USA") referred to as "the Americans" by US announcers. It's not racism. It's shorthand. Incidentally, the "Tokyo Giants" are actually the Yomiuri Giants.
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LOL now you make the argument for shorthand?
When you were all over me be cause I used "Jap."? I'm not trying to rehash, but you are a hypocrit. You don't get to have it both ways.
 
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No it doesn't. And your premise is flawed. In any international sporting event the host country refers to the guest team by their nationality more times than not. That is not racism. In many international sporting events I have heard the United States Team (usually called "Team USA") referred to as "the Americans" by US announcers. It's not racism. It's shorthand. Incidentally, the "Tokyo Giants" are actually the Yomiuri Giants.
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LOL now you make the argument for shorthand?
When you were all over me be cause I used "Jap."? I'm not trying to rehash, but you are a hypocrit. You don't get to have it both ways.


There you go again. You didn't have a period after the "p" which made it derogatory and offensive. Like you. Not your race, you.

It's spelled "hypocrite" oh illiterate one but that's right, snakes can't read. So, if you want to see what one looks like, go look in the mirror.


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Jap Jap Jap

LOL! does that bother you?
Maybe you should get a lifetime supply of Kleenex!

P.S.- Jap Jap Jap
 
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Jap Jap Jap

LOL! does that bother you?
Maybe you should get a lifetime supply of Kleenex!

P.S.- Jap Jap Jap


In your case it's excused because you're an idiot. I may invest in some Kleenex because I'm laughing so hard at your posts.


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Oh you round eye, funny man!
LOL!
You are amazing!
I just don't know how you do it.
Kudos to you!
 
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And your premise is flawed.


You have a misunderstanding. When Japanese people feel the use of the word "the Japanese" in the TV show/sporting event is racist, then it is. Period.
 
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Oh you round eye, funny man!
LOL!
You are amazing!
I just don't know how you do it.
Kudos to you!


You're an easy target.


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And your premise is flawed.


You have a misunderstanding. When Japanese people feel the use of the word "the Japanese" in the TV show/sporting event is racist, then it is. Period.


It's not. Tell them there is no disrespect meant and to get over it. Period.


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And your premise is flawed.


You have a misunderstanding. When Japanese people feel the use of the word "the Japanese" in the TV show/sporting event is racist, then it is. Period.


It's not. Tell them there is no disrespect meant and to get over it. Period.


Yes, it is. Period.

Could I say in front of Americans in Japan "Yankee Go Home" and claim that I meant I like Americans?
 
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And your premise is flawed.


You have a misunderstanding. When Japanese people feel the use of the word "the Japanese" in the TV show/sporting event is racist, then it is. Period.


It's not. Tell them there is no disrespect meant and to get over it. Period.


Yes, it is. Period.

Could I say in front of Americans in Japan "Yankee Go Home" and claim that I meant I like Americans?


That is absurd. That is a non-sequitur to what I have been saying. I deny the validity of your statement. Period.

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