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I don't know who this Ophi guy is, but he is delusional if he thinks that I have some sort of obligation to inform him of anything. I have told him

he is misinformed so he can go do his own homework like a good little boy. I'm not his frigging teacher. I have neither the time nor the inclination. I

have stated my position and if anyone disagrees with my position than that is simply what it is - a disagreement with my position.

Opinions are like assholes, we all have one and an opinion is pretty much of the same value as the product delivered by the asshole.

What counts is action. That is what always counts and we deal in actions not rhetoric. I'm interested in saving the lives of whales, not in debating the

frigging issue ad nauseum.

Here's is my position in brief. We intend to shut down the Japanese whaling fleet. We intend to sink them economically by bankrupting them. We will not be

swayed from this objective nor will we retreat or surrender.

The Japanese whaling fleet is illegally and immorally killing whales and we intend to stop them. Some critics may argue that we have not accomplished

anything yet the Japanese whalers have stated that we have prevented them reaching their quotas and that we have cost them their profits. That means that

we are making progress and we intend to continue making progress.

Any person who condones whaling for any reason at all is immoral and an ecological criminal. That is my opinion and quite frankly I don't care if people

support or condemn my opinion on this matter. It does not matter to me one way or another. An opinion is just an opinion. I don't lose sleep over the silly

opinions of hominids.

We have many people who support us and many people who condemn us but it does not matter how many on what side, it is irrelevant to our strategy and our

objectives.

I will say it one more time. We represent the interests of the whales - not people. Yes I am a misanthrope and I don't see the difference between cultures

- people are people and people are a threat to hundreds of thousands of species and I have chosen to side with those species against the conceited

arrogance of humanity.

I don't give a damn about Japanese culture or any culture for that matter and any culture that survives through cruelty and slaughter is a culture the

world can do without. When humans begin to respect the culture of other species, I may change my opinion but I have not seen much evidence of any respect

whatsoever. When I hear bull**** about how the whale or any animal is given respect before being killed, I see cultural justification for an immoral

activity and I reject it.

Cutting the hearts out of innocent people was part of the Aztec culture. Killing Jews was part of the Nazi culture. Killing Indians was part of American

culture. Even slavery was justified by culture. I say to hell with culture.

I live biocentrically and I have no use for anthropocentric mythology.

Calling me names like hypocrite, fanatic, criminal, and terrorist does not impress me. All humans are hypocrites, fanatics, ecological criminals and

terrorists. We are all part of the problem. I admit it, most don't, choosing to justify their behavior with anthropocentric fantasies about silly things

like God, faith and culture.

What I really get amused by is the frustrations of all our critics who want to see us busted or some even want to see us killed. They advocate killing us

because we are "violent." Humans can so frigging stupid. And they get so clearly frustrated that we are not jailed. After 32 years in the field with Sea

Shepherd and I have an unblemished record - no felony convictions and no injuries caused.

Finally I love ******g people off because people are the problem. I love it that Sea Shepherd is the most hated and reviled conservation organization in

the world. I'm not here to be Mr. nice guy, I'm here to piss people off, to say things they don't want to hear and to do things they don't like me doing.

Hate mail and death threats are a great measure of success.

I care for only a few people, my Lady, my daughter, my family, my crew and supporters and I have no concern for the rest - they are irrelevant.

I desire and will strive to totally destroy whaling and sealing activities everywhere by anyone for any reason. I wish to see the obliteration of the

despicable whaling culture in my lifetime. I wish to make every whaler and sealer unemployed and I don't care if they have to go live on the street - I

have no regard nor respect for the murdering scum, just as they have no respect or regard for my crew and I. I like that - we understand each other and in

the end, one side will be extinct and I don't intend for it to be our side.

So for all of you who have nothing better to do than to sit in judgment of us and what we do, let me just explain a few facts. There is nothing that you

can say or do that will deter us from defending the whales in the Southern Ocean. We will be there again this next season and we will do what we need to do

to defend the whales.

My ships and my crew answer to me and I answer to our clients - the whales!

So keep calling us names and making accusations for this stirs the pot of controversy and contributes to the legend of Sea Shepherd. It does us no harm and

does not present any obstacles to our efforts so the remarks are harmless to say the least and amusing at best.

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Originally posted by Ophidian:
yeah go ahead read it all that's why I posted the link.

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Originally posted by antiantiwhaler:
From what I can see, Watson has only "stated the position" and if anyone disagrees with Watson, he/she should go out there to find a way to justify Watson.

In the reminder of the world, when one makes a claim, the burden of the proof is on the one who made the claim, not on someone who finds that the claim is false.

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The only ruling in this matter came on 15 January 2008 from the Australian Federal Court and it told the Japanese to stay out of the Australian Whale Sanctuary.

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Diplomatic Note - 3 December 2004

United States Mission to the United Nations

The Deputy Representative of the United States of Americas presents her compliments to the Secretary General of the United Nations and refers to recent Australian submission to the Commission on the Limits of the Continental Shelf
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The United States wishes to inform you that, recalling Article IV of the Antarctic Treaty, the United States does not recognize any state's claim to territory in Antarctica and consequently does not recognize any State's rights over the seabed and subsoil of the submarine areas beyond and adjacent to the continent of Antarctica.

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You claim his actions are illegal. The burden of proof is on you. The laws (UN Charter for Nature, Australia's Environmental Protection and Biodiversity Conservation Act) tell me he is allowed to do what he does.

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Article105

Seizure of a pirate ship or aircraft

On the high seas, or in any other place outside the jurisdiction of any State, every State may seize a pirate ship or aircraft, or a ship or aircraft taken by piracy and under the control of pirates, and arrest the persons and seize the property on board. The courts of the State which carried out the seizure may decide upon the penalties to be imposed, and may also determine the action to be taken with regard to the ships, aircraft or property, subject to the rights of third parties acting in good faith.

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Originally posted by Ophidian:
Ophidian
Discoverer
Posted 19 September 2009 21:43
This is a reply I got from Paul Watson to a question I asked on another forum.
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Paul, If the Dutch revoke your registries, how will you get to the southern oceans next season?

PW: (If in the unlikely event that does happen we already have alternative registries in place. Sea Shepherd will return, that is a certainty)

Thank you, Paul for one straight answer. I'm sure you do have other registries.
But why would you think you would need them? Do you know something we don't? Why prepare to lose it, if you're not doing anything illegally? Hmmm...
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I am curently awaiting a response on the follow up question...

Ophidian
Discoverer
Posted 19 September 2009 21:46
Oh here's the link btw:

http://www.facebook.com/topic....2095147954#post65859
Posts: 242 | Location (where you live): UNITED STATES | Registered: 24 August 2009
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I'm the one who posted the link in this thread, not you.

Liar!
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nbrownfzi, your pathetic...I posted in another thread (Letter to the Dutch House of Reps)... And you posted it here. I suppose you think you discovered the whole thing on your own. Yet another example of you twisting the truth.

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your pathetic

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And OpJob, you insult me and my crew and then whine that we are calling you names. You have not done any homework at all - your figures were wrong. Just because you insist you are right does not make you right.

I did not send any crew to insult you. I'm sure they are happy to insult you on their own initiative if they so choose. You sound a little paranoid with that silly remark.

All opinions are $hit yes, especially yours.

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Originally posted by Ophidian:
Rumor has it that the Japanese fleet are going to be escorted by a Japanese Coast ship this season. I've been looking for verification on this to no avail thus far. Of course we all know rumors have about as much truth to them as nbrownfzi has. So unless someone finds something before then I guess we will have to wait and see what actually happens...

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Originally posted by antiantiwhaler:

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You claim his actions are illegal. The burden of proof is on you. The laws (UN Charter for Nature, Australia's Environmental Protection and Biodiversity Conservation Act) tell me he is allowed to do what he does.

Australian laws do not apply on international water, and UN charter for nature does not say anything about private organization being allowed to use violence.

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24. Each person has a duty to act in accordance with the provisions of the present Charter; acting individually, in association with others or through participation in the political process, each person shall strive to ensure that the objectives and requirements of the present Charter are met.

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Japanese criminal acts specifically states that property destruction is illegal.

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UNCLOS defines pirates (Articles 100-101) and SSCS hits the definition. So, SSCS are pirates, as they themselves claim to be.

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UNCLOS Article 105 states

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Article105

Seizure of a pirate ship or aircraft

On the high seas, or in any other place outside the jurisdiction of any State, every State may seize a pirate ship or aircraft, or a ship or aircraft taken by piracy and under the control of pirates, and arrest the persons and seize the property on board. The courts of the State which carried out the seizure may decide upon the penalties to be imposed, and may also determine the action to be taken with regard to the ships, aircraft or property, subject to the rights of third parties acting in good faith.

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So, Japan would be in a position to determine penalties to be imposed on pirates. Under the current law, the maximum a pirate can get is a death penalty, so they don't have to worry about learning Japanese.

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UNCLOS, incidentally, has its origin in the concept of Universal Jurisdiction, which extends jurisdiction of a state law to criminal activities carried out outside of its own jurisdiction. Pirates are run-of-the-mill example of its application. Medieval UK had very severe penalties on piracy ( Hanged, drawn and quartered )

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Originally posted by agni99:

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The only ruling in this matter came on 15 January 2008 from the Australian Federal Court and it told the Japanese to stay out of the Australian Whale Sanctuary.

Back with this nonsense? That horse you're beating has been dead for weeks. Can't you smell?

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In La La Land, people care what that Australian Judge writes.

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In the real world, it is recognized that his judgment is at variance with international law.

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In the real world, the Australian EEZ/Sanctuary claims are illegal and worthless.

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In the real world, this matters

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[QUOTE]Diplomatic Note - 3 December 2004

United States Mission to the United Nations

The Deputy Representative of the United States of Americas presents her compliments to the Secretary General of the United Nations and refers to recent Australian submission to the Commission on the Limits of the Continental Shelf
...
The United States wishes to inform you that, recalling Article IV of the Antarctic Treaty, the United States does not recognize any state's claim to territory in Antarctica and consequently does not recognize any State's rights over the seabed and subsoil of the submarine areas beyond and adjacent to the continent of Antarctica.

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Australia's parliament may pass all the laws they want claiming territory. The Iraqi parliament under Saddam Hussein did the same thing. Australian judges may issue futile judgments upholding the illegal laws. Iraqi judges did the same thing.

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In the end, those waters remain international ones and Japan can conduct lethal research whaling there legally under permit as long as it likes.

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In the end, Japan whales unimpeded by Australia. Japan will send a whaling fleet in 2010 and Australia will not interfere.

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Which law is paramount is obvious to everyone.

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Australian laws do apply in their Exclusive Economic Zone.

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As for the UN Charter for Nature, READ IT AGAIN!!!

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24. Each person has a duty to act in accordance with the provisions of the present Charter; acting individually, in association with others or through participation in the political process, each person shall strive to ensure that the objectives and requirements of the present Charter are met.

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Paul Watson as referred to himself as a pirate only in response to others calling him a pirate

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Originally posted by antiantiwhaler:

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Australian laws do apply in their Exclusive Economic Zone.

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which is an illicit claim, but if you believe in it, you should call Australian police, instead of starting to play a private police.

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As for the UN Charter for Nature, READ IT AGAIN!!!

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[quote]24. Each person has a duty to act in accordance with the provisions of the present Charter; acting individually, in association with others or through participation in the political process, each person shall strive to ensure that the objectives and requirements of the present Charter are met.

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Paul Watson as referred to himself as a pirate only in response to others calling him a pirate

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Neither AP nor SSCS does not agree with you.

url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XD0Xh5X5_-o]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XD0Xh5X5_-o[/url]

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So, how about you asking Uncle Sam whether Ross Sea is an Australian territory?

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Originally posted by antiantiwhaler:

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As for the UN Charter for Nature, READ IT AGAIN!!!

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24. Each person has a duty to act in accordance with the provisions of the present Charter; acting individually, in association with others or through participation in the political process, each person shall strive to ensure that the objectives and requirements of the present Charter are met.

I read it again, still, I cannot find any words about authorizing self-declared pirates to enforce this policy using violence. Please locate these words in this article.

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Just exactly how obtuse are you/can you be?

"Each person has a duty to act." That's an imperative to action.

"shall strive to ensure..." Also an imperative.

They can act "individually or in association with others". Private groups/organizations like Greenpeace and SSCS.

Stopping an attempt at murder is, of necessity, a violent act. Using violence to stop a violent crime is not illegal. Sometime violence must be used as a part of "duty to act".

You weep for the whalers. You need to get one of two things:

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The voice-over said, "They call themselves modern-day pirates." Not Paul. The voice-over was for Animal Planet ratings.

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I'd probably look it up on-line but you can ask him if you like. Let me know. I'd like to see the look on his face when you ask him.