Paul Watson’s Cultural Imperialism, Intolerance and Bigotry
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The anti-whaling terrorist Paul Watson presents an interesting case study in the absence of logic in the animal rights movement.

A little history first:

Paul Watson allegedly co-founded Greenpeace, an organization from which he was expelled for his failure to adhere to that organization’s policy of nonviolence.

He claims to have sunk ten whaling ships. He claims to have been shot at by the Japanese Coast Guard – a claim almost universally regarded an incredible, perhaps because Paul Watson not only lies, but recommends that others do so as well to promote the cause.

Watson advises readers to make up facts and figures when they need to, and to deliver them to reporters confidently, “as Ronald Reagan did.” Watson possesses Reagan’s intuitive grasp of the media, and, like Reagan, at times he seems astray in the labyrinth of his own illusions.

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Paul Watson- he forces his morality on others
Paul Watson, if you watch enough of his media, loves to contradict himself. One minute he claims to be concerned about the lives of the fishermen he endangers; the next, he is disparaging Canadian sealers who died when their ships sunk as “sadistic baby killers”. One minute he’s claiming to be non-violent and accusing the Japanese Coast Guard of violence in the form of throwing “grenades” (actually, flash grenades); the next, his own crew is throwing flash grenades at Canadian fishermen.

Paul Watson wants the human population drastically reduced, saying “no human community should be larger than 20,000 people.” He wants human populations confined to “parks” and human breeding subject to restriction. “Sea transportation should be by sail.”

“We need to stop flying, stop driving cars, and jetting around on marine recreational vehicles. The Mennonites survive without cars and so can the rest of us.”

“Curing a body of cancer requires radical and invasive therapy, and therefore, curing the biosphere of the human virus will also require a radical and invasive approach.

It won’t be easy but then it’s better than the alternative.”

In other words, Paul Watson demands a totalitarianism that would make North Korea look like a hippie free-for-all. And, Paul, if you think humans are a virus, do your part and stop making kids.

And he has supporters.

Brigitte Bardot, Martin Sheen, Terri Irwin, Daryl Hannah and other mindless celebrities line up to hypocritically support Paul Watson’s Sea Shepherd Conservation Society, while eating animals, driving cars and even reproducing without authorization.

The problem with animal rights is the same problem we find in the “natural rights” theories. There are no natural rights. As Jeremy Bentham famously put it:

“natural rights is simple nonsense: natural and imprescriptible rights, rhetorical nonsense,—nonsense upon stilts.”

Natural rights do not exist amongst humans. One human can kill another without lightning striking him dead. The only punishment he may receive, if at all, is fabricated by society.

The same is true in the animal world. Animals kill one another with impunity all the time. Humans, being animals, do the same.

Rights are created, not by nature, but by contracts. In the case of the rights of man, rights are the product of the social contract. The social contract gives the right to protection from aggression in consideration of the party’s pledge to protect the freedom of others.

Insofar as nonhuman animals cannot be a party to the social contract, they cannot be imagined to have any rights.

What Paul Watson is attempting to do is to use force to impose his morality on others. Legitimate law is restricted to protecting individual freedom. Legitimate law does not legislate morality, despite what Paul Watson thinks law should be.

Now, if Paul Watson wants to stop people from eating whale meat, he is entirely free to go out and campaign against it. If Paul Watson really wanted people to stop eating whale meat, surely he knows he could campaign against it in the Japanese media; if the consumers stopped demanding whale meat, the whalers would stop hunting whales.

But Paul Watson doesn’t do that. He would lose millions of dollars in support if whalers stopped whaling. Most likely, he prays every night that more countries start whaling. It would make him a very rich man.

One has to wonder, though, why this man and all his supporters – mostly white – get their jollies attacking Japanese whaling? If they are so concerned with animals being killed, why not start in the obvious place: your own back yard. Oh, I’m sorry, is attacking beef eaters not profitable? My bad

people like you make me sick.no morals no self respecket. no one should lissen to some one like you.you talk like a whaler.i bet you are one.let me shot you in the back then shot you in the head then you tell me if it is right.

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Hey another violent anarchist, Welcome.
My morals are fine the way they are, I don't commit crimes or engage in violence, which you appear to embrace. You come and start threatening me with nothing to back you up intellectually. Whaling, right or wrong IS LEGAL.

No but you engage in saying killing whales are ok so what are you ???

I have never said it was OK, I have said it is legal. I have never said I agree with whaling but I certainly do not agree with anyone who uses or condones violence. What are you?

then why do you sit here and put down people who are trying to put a stop to this in moral acks.i dont get you.WHY??

Because they are violent scumbag criminal pirates. Who love to break the law thinking it gives them credibility to change the law. That does not work in the civillized world. I don't like how Kapt. Krunch and the Sea Monkeys take the law into their own hands. Especially when what the Japanese are doing is 100% legal. Yet where are they when it comes to Norway and Iceland who are openly whalling commercially?
The Sea Monkeys only hurt the cause.

If you dont start here then where do you start.there has to be a time when some one says enough is a enough.whales cant talk for them self.and if we dont then who does.what if you where a whale whould you want some one to speak out for you or just sit there and die????

First off whales aren't intellegent enough to rationalize a thought like that. If they even have thoughts at all. And why DOES anyone have to speak for them? Why not cows, pigs, chickens, deer or any other animal for that matter?
People have been whaling for thousands of years its a tradition in many cultures. Who are you to say they should change? That is arrogant to think they should. Why are your opinions valued more than mine or theirs?
The real question is when does it end?

when people like you pull your heads from your %@&.cruelty to animals is wrong and it needs to stop.as for the food you and all the rest eat eather fast food or what ever.no one is making up some bs shing saying killing for research and needing to kill a 1000 or more for what and then selling the meat for food ... get real...get a life....

The japenese don't have to say they are researching, they can openly whale if they want to because your global moratorium is voluntary.
I suppose your a pretentious vegitarian whos better than everyone else? I think people like you need to pull your own heads out of your asses and wake up to the REAL WORLD. You grow up leading such sheltered lives. You being sooo nieve see something that shocks you so you have a knee jerk reaction without thinking the matter through. This is life. Where do you think food comes from? You think it just magically sppears? You need to get real! Oh and where's your outrage against Norway and Iceland?

Why do some people love to hate the Japanese? Yet say nothing about any other countrys whaling activities. I guess only Japan is wrong to them and everyone else is OK.

Uhh....so that means Paul doesn't like my city(which is also the city he was born in) because it's definitly more than 20,000 people....

Anyway, I don't really know if I believe everything in that article.

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Why do some people love to hate the Japanese? Yet say nothing about any other countrys whaling activities. I guess only Japan is wrong to them and everyone else is OK.

Honestly I think it's because the Whale Wars show only shows the Japanese killing whales and not anyone else sadly.

Anyway I don't like whaling but personally I've never said anything violent on this board. I'm just not like that.

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Honestly I think it's because the Whale Wars show only shows the Japanese killing whales and not anyone else sadly.

Anyway I don't like whaling but personally I've never said anything violent on this board. I'm just not like that.
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I know you haven't that's why I respect you.
And your right about whale wars. It just makes my point that people tend to not educate themselves on their own. They think TV tells them everything they need to know. And that is sad.

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At this time there are over 6.5 billion people on Earth, and the world's population is steadily going up..........So, in order to fulfill this lunatic's desires at least 5.5 billion human-beings need to be killed!!

For those of you who are mathmatically challenged, that's a lot of people; 85% of humanity.

Oh, it needs to be done "intelligently" as well.
Paul Watson Quote

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“We need to stop flying, stop driving cars, and jetting around on marine recreational vehicles. The Mennonites survive without cars and so can the rest of us.”

“Curing a body of cancer requires radical and invasive therapy, and therefore, curing the biosphere of the human virus will also require a radical and invasive approach.

It won’t be easy but then it’s better than the alternative.”
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I love the part where he says it better than the alternative... What alternative is he talking about? Does he mean life the way it is?
Why doesn't he set an example and stop flying around, driving cars, and jetting around on marine recreational vehicles.
If this scumbag wants to live like a caveman than he should shut up and do it. Then those of us with common sense don't have to listen to this criminal.

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Originally posted by Ophidian:
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Honestly I think it's because the Whale Wars show only shows the Japanese killing whales and not anyone else sadly.

Anyway I don't like whaling but personally I've never said anything violent on this board. I'm just not like that.
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I know you haven't that's why I respect you.
And your right about whale wars. It just makes my point that people tend to not educate themselves on their own. They think TV tells them everything they need to know. And that is sad.

You respect me? Well, it's nice that you do. I didn't know that.

Anyway, I think it's just because when I get upset about something....I don't RAGE(I'm the Cancer sign after all...not that I really believe that stuff although honestly it sounds a lot like me...and some person I was talking to once guessed that I'm a Cancer just based on my way of thinking based on what I said to her). I just get sad though. I let out emotion in tears usually, not rage. That's probably also why I've never been banned on any board I've ever posted at because I don't flame people who harrass me ever either(haven't been harrassed here but have been at some other sites before).

Actually it's the best way for me to win in a lot of cases because if people keep attacking me they just end up banned and then I'm still there. That's happened in SO many cases at other boards I've gone to(they had nothing to do with whaling for the record).

As for the TV thing....well, yeah, that is the case it seems for a lot of people. And even with Whale Wars I know that's just one side of the story. However, I definitly don't like those whales being killed and it's obvious that that happens.

I doubt that most people in Japan who eat the whale meat have never actually interacted with a whale or seen one die. I bet a lot of them might stop wanting whales killed if they did. If someone were to mail out a buch of brochures showing it.

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By the way about the limiting people on how many kids they can have thing....doesn't Paul only have one kid anyway? I think his kid is 4 years older than me if I remember right.

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By the way about the limiting people on how many kids they can have thing....doesn't Paul only have one kid anyway? I think his kid is 4 years older than me if I remember right
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I don't know about his kid. But Do you think you would like to be told how many kids you could or couldn't have? I know I wouldn't. It's just wrong on som many levels.

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Originally posted by Ophidian:
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By the way about the limiting people on how many kids they can have thing....doesn't Paul only have one kid anyway? I think his kid is 4 years older than me if I remember right
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I don't know about his kid. But Do you think you would like to be told how many kids you could or couldn't have? I know I wouldn't. It's just wrong on som many levels.

No, I wouldn't like it...

As long as I can afford however many kids I have in my life, I don't see the problem. Currently I don't have any and I'm not settled down but I'd like to be able to decide however many I want when the time comes.

My dad's actually from a family of 9 kids. They were really poor and had no electricity or running water but hey, they made it okay and no one else had to support them. They lived on a farm.

I just wonder if Paul really said that though. XD

I do think the whales need to stop being killed but I don't agree with extreme stuff like how many kids we should have and all that. I think it's only a problem when you can't afford to look after all of your kids.

By the way I tried to send you a private message ont this site but it's not letting me for some reason. lol. It gives me an error.

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By the way I tried to send you a private message ont this site but it's not letting me for some reason. lol. It gives me an error.
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Hmmmm....Uh Oh! OK I'm nervous now..LOL!
That's weird.. It doesn't work for me either.
Now I'm curious. Hmmmm. Are you on facebook that would be easiest and securer than anything else I can think of.