The show is entertaining in a weird sort of way. I would not want any of these jokers with me on a real battle field. After watching a half dozen episodes I find myself pulling for the Japanese vessels. The crew is made up ofa bunch of pale, whimpy, and cry-baby pansies...

L-Toro

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Originally posted by L-Toro:
The show is entertaining in a weird sort of way. I would not want any of these jokers with me on a real battle field. After watching a half dozen episodes I find myself pulling for the Japanese vessels. The crew is made up ofa bunch of pale, whimpy, and cry-baby pansies...

L-Toro

L-Tardo atleast these "pale whimpy, cry-baby pansies are costing the japanese POACHERS TENS of THOUSANDS of $ or BILLIONS of PESOS in LOST YEN!! Eat That recipe.

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Originally posted by L-Toro:
... The crew is made up of a bunch of pale, whimpy, and cry-baby pansies...
L-Toro

Uh huh. Did you mean wimpy or whiny? This crew is an all-volunteer crew. No pay. They do this because they believe in what they are doing. When is the last time you put yourself in harm's way for a cause you believed in?

Dear Miss nbrownfz1,
To answer your question, the last time I put myself in harm's way was between 1968-71. USN aboard an attack Carrier AO - Nukes. How about yourself mam.

If you are pulling for the Japanese than you are not a true American. Get the hell out of this country. You have the ice in your veins if you do not feel sick watching how they care more about money that the beautiful lives they are snuffing out. They are so innocent they come right up to the ships to say hello and get a harpoon. Maybe you need to jump in the water and see how it feels, so you can sympathize with them.

People, countries, businesses have rights to. Why dont chat rooms/blogs/message boards for feeding hungry children in our own country get as much jabber as ones about fish(mammals). People sure don't appreciate what they do have it seems. There is always an alternative to your freedoms, go sit by Hitler-he did well didnt he??

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Originally posted by L-Toro:
Dear Miss nbrownfz1,
To answer your question, the last time I put myself in harm's way was between 1968-71. USN aboard an attack Carrier AO - Nukes. How about yourself mam.

The proper spelling is ma'am not mam. Also, as far as you are concerned, you call me SIR!!! For me it was 1968 - 1972, guided missile destroyer. Three WestPacs. H & I fire into North Vietnam taking out bridges, power plants, radar sites. Sometimes we were as close as 500 yards off the beach. We EARNED our combat pay. We actually got shot at. Their gunners had us bracketed on more than one occasion. How close did your carrier get? Was it even in the Pacific?

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Note to Kristen G. - Actually your reply has convinced me to re-think my position on the whale hunting debate. After reading your passionate reply, I can't help but think that you and all of your fellow save-the-whale crowd must also be pro life and anti-abortion, right? In that case, I'm now onboard with your cause. STOP ABORTION (STOP KILLING UNBORN BABIES) AND STOP WHALE KILLING!

Note to nbrownfz1

Hey - you're a fellow Sailor - I call for a truce! Where do you live? Let me guess - somewhere in the Northwest, right? GO NAVY

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Originally posted by L-Toro:
Note to nbrownfz1

Hey - you're a fellow Sailor - I call for a truce! Where do you live? Let me guess - somewhere in the Northwest, right? GO NAVY

Truce aye!

I live in the Southwest - San Diego area.

Could not agree more, pansies all the way, that think their enviormental SWAT Unit. They would last a day in the real world, must their VEGAN diet, killing me, get a job!

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Originally posted by L-Toro:
The show is entertaining in a weird sort of way. I would not want any of these jokers with me on a real battle field. After watching a half dozen episodes I find myself pulling for the Japanese vessels. The crew is made up ofa bunch of pale, whimpy, and cry-baby pansies...

L-Toro

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Originally posted by damien0007:
Could not agree more, pansies all the way, that think their enviormental SWAT Unit. They would last a day in the real world, must their VEGAN diet, killing me, get a job!

This is not a job. This is a cause. They are all volunteers that came from the real world and are putting themselves in harm's way for a cause they believe in.

I'll ask you the same question I asked LToro. When's the last time you put yourself in harm's way for a cause you believed in. He and I were both in the Navy during Vietnam. How about you?

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This is not a job. This is a cause. They are all volunteers that came from the real world and are putting themselves in harm's way for a cause they believe in.

I'll ask you the same question I asked LToro. When's the last time you put yourself in harm's way for a cause you believed in. He and I were both in the Navy during Vietnam. How about you?
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What did you do in the Navy? Stationed on a ship? Pilot? Seal?

If you put yourself in harm's way for a cause you believed in, then all of sudden, everything becomes wonderful and lawful?

SSCS are disorganized and untrained according to any standard, aren't they? They sailed through icebergs. That is like they put themselves in harm's way, because they put themselves in harm's way.

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Originally posted by antiantiwhaler:
If you put yourself in harm's way for a cause you believed in, then all of sudden, everything becomes wonderful and lawful?

We never declared war on North Vietnam (which the Constitution requires Congress to do) yet there we were getting shot at.

How about you?

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SSCS are disorganized and untrained according to any standard, aren't they?

No.

The volunteers have as much training as time allows and can get a bit disorganized at times but the regular crew is very professional.

I hope Jane stays on with Sea Shepherd. She is the one I saw developing a pre-attack checklist. I think that's what prompted Peter Brown to leave the ship when the other bridge officers adopted her idea.

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They sailed through icebergs. That is like they put themselves in harm's way, because they put themselves in harm's way.

They've never suffered a hull breach as a result of sailing through ice floes/fields (not icebergs). The Nishin Maru did the same thing. She's a little stronger than the Steve Irwin but (like the Steve Irwin) she is not ice rated.

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They've never suffered a hull breach as a result of sailing through ice floes/fields (not icebergs). The Nishin Maru did the same thing. She's a little stronger than the Steve Irwin but (like the Steve Irwin) she is not ice rated.
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They only got a hull breach from ramming another ship. It's not a "ramming rated" ship either.

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What did you do in the Navy? Stationed on a ship? Pilot? Seal?

Stationed on a guided missile destroyer. I maintained electronics on the bridge, in CIC, the 2D air and surface search radars, and their antennae on the mast. My general quarters station was in the air/surface search radar rooms. Made three cruises. Went into combat on all three cruises.

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We never declared war on North Vietnam (which the Constitution requires Congress to do) yet there we were getting shot at.

How about you?
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Myself, I was an Army Ranger in Desert Shield/Storm, Somaalia, Bosnia, and Afganistan.
Unless your a pilot or a Seal you really aren't "in harms way" on a boat. Now I'm not knocking you don't get me wrong. I appreciate your service and there is danger even on a ship. But it's not the same as combat.

The Sea Monkeys put themselves into stupidity, which leads to being in danger. What they do is not "in harm's way".

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Myself, I was an Army Ranger in Desert Shield/Storm, Somaalia, Bosnia, and Afganistan.

Thank you!

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Unless your a pilot or a Seal you really aren't "in harms way" on a boat. Now I'm not knocking you don't get me wrong. I appreciate your service and there is danger even on a ship. But it's not the same as combat.

That is a mistaken concept with which I have to disagree. By concept I mean there is the impression that ships are floating around on the open ocean and are therefore much safer than boots on the ground. During the time of your service that was a fairly accurate statement. During the time and place where I served it was not.

We weren't just floating around out in the middle of the ocean. We were approaching the shore of North Vietnam well within their territorial waters (sometimes as close as 1000 yards) attacking bridges, power plants, radar sites, and other targets of opportunity. The term for it is Harrassment and Interdiction or H&I fire. Oh by the way, the shore batteries shot back. 155mm shells.

Their air force did some damage to the USS Higbee (DD-806). I saw it with my own eyes:

http://home.att.net/~iris.gardner/subic.html

Fortunately, the bomb did not explode right away and the crew was able to evacuate the mount and magazine before it did.

We suffered a night air attack but, fortunately, the bombs (6) fell about 150 yards off the starboard side and the only real damage we sustained was shrapnel damage to the height finder search radar antenna. None of the topside lookouts were wounded. I was on watch at the time in CIC. Had the bombs fallen any closer it would have been a different situation. There was only 1/4 inch of aluminum between me and the bombs. The shrapnel could have easily punctured the superstructure. As it was, I only heard it hit the bulkhead.

Many other ships had holes in their hulls from 155mm shells fired at them from shore batteries and some suffered crew casualties (wounded and killed). They got real close to us on all three cruises but missed.

Combat at sea when attacking a land target is you are where you are. When they start shooting back there are no slit trenches or foxholes to dive in. There is no such thing as camoflauge. There is no background to blend into. There is no cover. You can't hide. Your only option is to zig zag and shoot back.

My uncle was a Radio Officer in the Merchant Marine during WWII. He served aboard a Liberty Ship. He was killed during the landings at Leyte Gulf in the Philippines by a kamikaze that flew into the wheel house. The Merchant Marine had the highest casualty rate in WWII. Higher than the Army, Army Air Corp, Marines, Coast Guard, and Navy.

My uncle and I were both in combat aboard "boats". My uncle was killed, I was not. Combat aboard a ship is different from combat on land but it is no less deadly.

I came away from my naval service with the following: Combat Action Medal, Meritorius Unit Commendation, National Defense Medal (everyone got that upon completion of boot camp), Vietnam Service Medal, and Republic of South Vietnam Campaign Medal (issued by the government of South Vietnam).

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The Sea Monkeys put themselves into stupidity, which leads to being in danger. What they do is not "in harm's way".

The Sea Shepherd tactics might seem stupid to some but I understand their tactics and why they employ them. Sailing a ship through an ice field is not a drive to the park. It is dangerous. It is deadly if not done carefully. To their credit, they have never had a shipwreck since they were founded and that speaks volumes about their ship handling competence. Attempting to maneuver the Steve Irwin between the Nishin Maru and the Yushin Maru #3 to cut the transfer line, while not successful, was quite a display of testicular fortitude. I salute them for making the attempt. Maybe they will succeed this season. They have purchased a faster ship.

... and thanks again!