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Letter to the Dutch House of Representatives on request relating to Sea Shepherd
26-06-2009 | Parliamentary document | Dutch Ministry of Foreign Affairs We are writing to you, also on behalf of the Minister of Justice, in response to your urgent request dated 23 June (2009Z12143/2009D31789) for more information on the results of the inquiry instigated by the Netherlands in the wake of the Sea Shepherd organization’s campaign against Japanese whalers in the vicinity of the South Pole. We are also responding to your question as to whether the incident in 2008 involving the Sea Shepherd vessel Steve Irwin and the report of Australia’s intention to summons Japan to appear in court if diplomatic efforts should fail, give rise to an amendment to the Certificates of Registry Act (Zeebrievenwet). The Sea Shepherd Conservation Society (SSCS) is an American NGO that uses, inter alia, vessels in its campaigns against whaling. Since 2007, the SSCS has registered two vessels in the Netherlands and therefore the Inspectorate of Transport, Public Works and Water Management has issued declarations of nationality and certificates of registry for these vessels. The certificate of registry was issued after the SSCS provided the Dutch government with written confirmation that the organization would refrain from the use of violence and abide by international legislation on maritime safety. In previous years, there have been several incidents between SSCS vessels and in particular Japanese whalers in the Southern (Antarctic) Ocean. The most recent example occurred on 6 February 2009 between the SSCS’s Steve Irwin and the Yushin Maru 3, a Japanese whaler. The Netherlands, in its’ capacity as flag State, was called to account by Japan in particular, as well as in several multilateral organizations, on the behaviour of the ships’ masters. The Inspectorate of Transport, Public Works and Water Management has investigated the above incident on the basis of the information available. With regard to the Steve Irwin, the Inspectorate is of the opinion that this was a case of unlawful behaviour on the part of the SSCS and a contravention of the international rules on good seamanship and the International Regulations for Preventing Collisions at Sea, 1972 (COLREGs). Furthermore, the masters of the Japanese ships also breached rules. On 16 February 2009, the Inspectorate of Transport, Public Works and Water Management submitted details of the contraventions by SSCS it had identified to the Dutch Public Prosecutor’s Office for possible criminal prosecution. After examining the case, the Public Prosecutor indicated that it considered criminal prosecution neither feasible nor effective. The Cabinet is of the opinion that effective options in administrative law are needed in order to be able to act in these kinds of cases. For this reason, the Cabinet has decided to expand the options for withdrawing certificates of registry. To achieve this, an amendment to the Certificates of Registry Act is currently under urgent preparation. Furthermore, the intention of Australia to summon Japan, if diplomatic efforts in halting whaling prove unsuccessful, bears no relation to the planned amendment to the Certificates of Registry Act. The Minister of Foreign Affairs, M.J.M. Verhagen Vice-Minister of Transport, Public Works and Water Management, J.C. Huizinga-Heringa |
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Wonder how long until the Sea Monkeys run out of countries willing to register their "private yachts"?
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I was wondering about what had happened to this as well.
I also wonder what has happened to the investigation by Australian police on the suspected illegal activities by Sea Shepherd against Japanese whaling fleet. Last time I heard, Aus rep to the IWC saying that the investigation is still ongoing. I am also curious to know if AP could be sued for supporting SS. |
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I keep looking on the internet but nothing new has been posted since the letter was written.
I keep looking for this as well. I think waiting until all the evidence is reviewed is the wisest course.
Not really. You'd have to have a mountain of evidence before a lawsuit could be brought. It would have to be brought in an Australian court. The Australian Federal Court (similar to the United States Supreme Court) has already told the Japanese to stop whaling in Australian waters and the Japanese ignored the order. "A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." - Mark Twain |
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Not really. You'd have to have a mountain of evidence before a lawsuit could be brought. It would have to be brought in an Australian court. The Australian Federal Court (similar to the United States Supreme Court) has already told the Japanese to stop whaling in Australian waters and the Japanese ignored the order.
_____________________________________________ The reason Japan ignores Austailian law and rulings is that they mean nothing. Austrailia has no enforcement provisions in their laws. So laws that are not or can not be enforced by Austrailia or anyone are not laws but only suggestions or requests at best. All the Treatys and Moratoriums in the world mean nothing if there is not a government who will enforce them. And the Sea Monkeys are not it. The same reasons apply to the Dutch. They find the SS acted unlawfully but wont charge them. However it seems they are moving forward with revoking the SS registry(s). I guess we will see if and when that happens. |
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The reason Japan ignores Australian law and rulings is because they are poachers and scofflaws.
Poaching laws do exist on the books in Australia and they have enforcement provisions. Done right, the Australian Navy would intercept the fleet outside the Antarctic Treaty Zone, send over boarding parties, and take all the ships into an Australian port. (This is provided for in the UNCLOS under seizure of pirate vessels. Poaching is a type of plundering.) All ships and contents to be held as evidence and their officers placed under arrest for poaching. No charges will be filed against the rest of the crew. Japan would be asked to send a plane to pick them up and take them home.
I'd love to hear you argue that in a court of law!! I can hear the howls of laughter now.
Doesn't need to be a government. It can be an individual or a private group. The UN Charter for Nature has an enforcement section and it's not a "suggestion", it's a "shall". And, yes, it does apply in this case for two reasons: Whaling in violation of the IWC moratorium. Whaling (poaching) in Australian waters.
I find no place where the Dutch found the Sea Shepherds acted unlawfully. It's a letter not a finding.
They're not going to. That's why there's been no mention since the letter requesting the change in the law. "A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." - Mark Twain |
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From Article IV of the Antarctic treaty
Which makes Australian EEZ extension claims illegal under international law Note what Australian Judge Alsop says in his ruling
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Utter nonsense. The UN Nature Charter gives no rights for any such action. The UN General Assembly cannot give such authority to any group of civilians to act against a member of the UN or to violate International law. You need to read the UN Charter. Note the powers of the Security Council and the General Assembly. Note the Chapter 7 enforcement provisions and who may authorize same. Note that the UN Nature Charter is an expression of principles, not an actual treaty. |
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Here is an extract from the UN Charter for Nature
Japanese Whaling actually upholds the UN Nature Charter. Its quota on Minke whales is in accordance with the above section. The Factory Ship ensures no wastage. |
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And this part
So.. Scientific Research Whaling should not be impeded! |
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Well I guess Agni99 beat me to it...Right on.
Good posts. |
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Utter nonsense. Read:
That includes poaching. Continuing the Charter:
The charter was passed by the UN General Assembly and has enforcement provision. "A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." - Mark Twain |
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The UN General Assembly has no powers of enforcement and no rights to delegate any such power.
This is the exclusive preserve of the UN Security Council |
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From Animal Planet's own website
http://animal.discovery.com/tv...legal-authority.html
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Melbourne University Up Close Episode 60
Harpooning the Myths: Japan and Whaling
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Transcript from Australian Senate Hearing
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Don't know who you are quoting but the UN Charter says in section 24:
Sounds pretty specific to me. "A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." - Mark Twain |
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Do you have a link? "A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." - Mark Twain |
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Right, I can't find use of force or violence anywhere. |
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Thats because he convieniently left out the part where the judge says basically "whaling is illegal but it is futile to try and enforce it, so we aren't going to."
Read it it's in there. And no there is nothing about force, violence, or even consequences. |
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